>> I think sometimes when we teach our graduate programs, because
the group size is, you know, you can wrap your arms around a group of 20 or 30.
And I think that's healthy, too,
just to say that's my perspective.
We try to identify whether it's a personal perspective or,
you know, kind of more of a
professional and grounded perspective from research.
But we enjoy that.
But I wanted to loop back to something you
know, that you were asking.
I think I mentioned before that one of our deans says, you know,
I want you to argue a sort of a joyous disagreement process.
And I think it's really good to bounce ideas off each other.
I think from a, you know, critical thinking perspective, you have to do that.
I think it's the way that you approach it though.
You know, that you can really love
somebody as a person and feel that their ideas,
their mental model isn't as useful as another,
and that's something that we can cultivate.
And picking up on Judy's idea of perseverance, I think sometimes not that
you hear something with which you would disagree, but I really remember a
moment in which this learning elder from an indigenous tradition, she was talking
about science and about how indigenous people
that knew that certain plants were good
for medicine.
I said to her, "Lorna, how did you know
what the plants were for?"
And I like to tease her, because she looked at me with real
exasperation, and she said, "Linda, the plants told us what they were for."
And, I remember thinking for months afterwards, as I was driving
or walking, okay, this is, you know, a very different
world view, and it was certainly a moment of dissonance for me, because I just had
never thought about looking at nature in a non-western way.
>> You talk about how important it is
for, you know-- you say dissonance is good, disagreement is good,
joyful disagreement and so and so.
So, in a sense because those are core beliefs that you're transmitting, you
have to be able to model some of it as well,
and be up front.
But maybe it depends very much on the context that you're talking about.
>> I think that we found, you know,
it's easy to talk about dissonance and disagreement.