The writers, they're such a tradition.
And the painters that I know from the South,
it's a, it's out of very much the same kind of thing.
And it's, and it's again, it's the sense of strong sense of appreciating irony.
This painting here, it's Emmanuel Episcopal Church.
And these are people that I grew up with.
And a matter of a fact, I'm in it and the preacher who is Brother Dave,
he's the only Episcopal minister that has a tattoo on his right cheek, his rear end.
[LAUGH] He's very proud of that.
He told everybody about that.
When I was going to school in North Carolina, I was very fortunate to
know a couple people that were in the literature department, and
they were very influential during, at a very formative time.
And it was suggested by someone that I start reading Flannery O'Connor,
which I had never read.
And I started reading her, her short stories, and I was just, oh my God!
This stuff's wonderful.
This is all, this is really what I want to say visually, and she said it.